Three very important games for Zimbabwe against the Irish, Marumani has been a huge disappointment on this tour so far, I hoped that he would at least chip in with one notable contribution but he failed to do so on four occasions. Williams looked like he is in a very good touch the other day against Ireland Wolves so hopefully he will play a vital part. It was absolutely ludicrous to rest those seniors for all 5 T20s, they could have played Taylor for 3 matches to just give him the feel of the conditions but they chose against it for God knows.. In other quality international teams, you naturally expect the best XI to be out there on the park to play for their countries but Zimbabwe is an exception, they will absolutely do the very opposite of it so we never know who is playing tomorrow even though, being an avid fan of Zimbabwe cricket, we could not even guess 9 players who will, in all probability, play tomorrow. Hopefully the XI I am going to put below will tomorrow.
Madhevere
Taylor
Chakabva
Ervine
Williams
Myers
Raza
Burl
Wellington
Muzarabani
Ngarava ( or Jongwe or Chatara )
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Haven't watched the game, but from what i've observed and seen....
1) The big 4 have proven their worth again. Yes we need to blood youth, but the way they are going about it is wrong, and the big 4 have shown their value and this to me tells me that the management know nothing, once again.
2) Yes, we would have liked to move at a quicker pace, however, at 3-101 in the 20th over, you kind of need to build a base. Craig and Sean identified over 250 as a winnable score, and built for that. In the end, they were proven right. We won fairly comfortably. Regis and Dion struggling too also shows that it was not the easiest batting pitch.
3) Blessing is by far and away our best bowler. The sad reality is we do not have any other consistent bowlers, and you need to have that extra edge to be a threat.
4) Wellington has proven me wrong, mostly for his economy. Like some have said, not a very lethal bowler, but sometimes your spin bowler does not need to be too lethal. If he can keep it up, no reason why he can't be our limited overs bowler, but definitely not for tests.
How much time do you want to give, because the rest of the cricketing world is not waiting around....
1) The big 4 have proven their worth again. Yes we need to blood youth, but the way they are going about it is wrong, and the big 4 have shown their value and this to me tells me that the management know nothing, once again.
2) Yes, we would have liked to move at a quicker pace, however, at 3-101 in the 20th over, you kind of need to build a base. Craig and Sean identified over 250 as a winnable score, and built for that. In the end, they were proven right. We won fairly comfortably. Regis and Dion struggling too also shows that it was not the easiest batting pitch.
3) Blessing is by far and away our best bowler. The sad reality is we do not have any other consistent bowlers, and you need to have that extra edge to be a threat.
4) Wellington has proven me wrong, mostly for his economy. Like some have said, not a very lethal bowler, but sometimes your spin bowler does not need to be too lethal. If he can keep it up, no reason why he can't be our limited overs bowler, but definitely not for tests.
slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:33 am
argh, whatever its tough adjusting. He`ll get better with time and hopefully some good coaching
How much time do you want to give, because the rest of the cricketing world is not waiting around....
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:56 pm
I have to strongly disagree. Based on the match I watched today, that was very obviously not a good pitch for batting earlier in the day. Ervine himself said in the post match that they knew anything over 250 would probably be a winning score. We did very very well to get as many runs as we did.
It's a standard post Match comment...I wouldn't read much into it. The pitch was on the slowish side, but other than it was fairly flat. No excessive swing or seam or turn. It was probably around a 300 par score pitch. I feel like most games in Ireland see 300+ totals batting first. The pitches were quite flat just a few weeks ago in the South Africa series.
If Zimbabwe hadn't batted so cautiously for 25 overs they would have easily gotten 300. If Ireland hadn't collapsed they could have chased 266 pretty easily. That tells you the pitch was decently flat. Not a 400 wicket but flat.
The average score on this pitch is 230+ & the successful chase Ireland ever had is 237 only. So just assumptions that Irish could have chased 266
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:11 am
Haven't watched the game, but from what i've observed and seen....
1) The big 4 have proven their worth again. Yes we need to blood youth, but the way they are going about it is wrong, and the big 4 have shown their value and this to me tells me that the management know nothing, once again.
2) Yes, we would have liked to move at a quicker pace, however, at 3-101 in the 20th over, you kind of need to build a base. Craig and Sean identified over 250 as a winnable score, and built for that. In the end, they were proven right. We won fairly comfortably. Regis and Dion struggling too also shows that it was not the easiest batting pitch.
3) Blessing is by far and away our best bowler. The sad reality is we do not have any other consistent bowlers, and you need to have that extra edge to be a threat.
4) Wellington has proven me wrong, mostly for his economy. Like some have said, not a very lethal bowler, but sometimes your spin bowler does not need to be too lethal. If he can keep it up, no reason why he can't be our limited overs bowler, but definitely not for tests.
slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:33 am
argh, whatever its tough adjusting. He`ll get better with time and hopefully some good coaching
How much time do you want to give, because the rest of the cricketing world is not waiting around....
the management do know the value of the big 4, which is why they play all the odis. T20s are pretty worthless these days.
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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:11 am
Haven't watched the game, but from what i've observed and seen....
1) The big 4 have proven their worth again. Yes we need to blood youth, but the way they are going about it is wrong, and the big 4 have shown their value and this to me tells me that the management know nothing, once again.
2) Yes, we would have liked to move at a quicker pace, however, at 3-101 in the 20th over, you kind of need to build a base. Craig and Sean identified over 250 as a winnable score, and built for that. In the end, they were proven right. We won fairly comfortably. Regis and Dion struggling too also shows that it was not the easiest batting pitch.
3) Blessing is by far and away our best bowler. The sad reality is we do not have any other consistent bowlers, and you need to have that extra edge to be a threat.
4) Wellington has proven me wrong, mostly for his economy. Like some have said, not a very lethal bowler, but sometimes your spin bowler does not need to be too lethal. If he can keep it up, no reason why he can't be our limited overs bowler, but definitely not for tests.
slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:33 am
argh, whatever its tough adjusting. He`ll get better with time and hopefully some good coaching
How much time do you want to give, because the rest of the cricketing world is not waiting around....
who would you bring instead of myers? Btw I`d give 3 years
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Dr_Situ(ZimFanatic) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 am
The average score on this pitch is 230+ & the successful chase Ireland ever had is 237 only. So just assumptions that Irish could have chased 266
At the 30 over mark, Ireland needed 132 off 20 overs with 8 wickets in hand and the requred run rate was only 6.60
Ireland collapsed and by doing so, they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. As a Bangladesh cricket fan, I'm an expert at identifying when teams manage to f**k up a perfectably chaseable chase.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:14 am
Dr_Situ(ZimFanatic) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 am
The average score on this pitch is 230+ & the successful chase Ireland ever had is 237 only. So just assumptions that Irish could have chased 266
At the 30 over mark, Ireland needed 132 off 20 overs with 8 wickets in hand and the requred run rate was only 6.60
Ireland collapsed and by doing so, they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. As a Bangladesh cricket fan, I'm an expert at identifying when teams manage to f**k up a perfectably chaseable chase.
U right
But hey Blessing can through
Ngarava was on the verge of chucking and the coaches decided on Sean, Jongwe and Masakadza to carry us through..
Late runs by Jongwe and Madhevere with Raza help out..
I think switching Madhevere up and dropping Myers might help..just a thought..
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Mueddie28 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:25 am
Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:14 am
Dr_Situ(ZimFanatic) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 am
The average score on this pitch is 230+ & the successful chase Ireland ever had is 237 only. So just assumptions that Irish could have chased 266
At the 30 over mark, Ireland needed 132 off 20 overs with 8 wickets in hand and the requred run rate was only 6.60
Ireland collapsed and by doing so, they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. As a Bangladesh cricket fan, I'm an expert at identifying when teams manage to f**k up a perfectably chaseable chase.
U right
But hey Blessing can through
Ngarava was on the verge of chucking and the coaches decided on Sean, Jongwe and Masakadza to carry us through..
Late runs by Jongwe and Madhevere with Raza help out..
I think switching Madhevere up and dropping Myers might help..just a thought..
yeah madhevere shoudlve batted higher
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Jemisi wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:35 am
Fell asleep before the wickets started falling. 😴
Happy to see a.good team win.
Yeah me too. Kind of surprised when i woke up and checked the score.
It certainly helps when the big 4 are all playing. Myers and Madhavere are still a long way off but every game and every win helps.
Not to forget Muzarabani with some good backup by Ngarava and the spinners.
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Ireland & Netherlands, two odi series wins that can give Zim boost in that super league points table and a chance to avoid qualifiers.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:14 am
Dr_Situ(ZimFanatic) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 am
The average score on this pitch is 230+ & the successful chase Ireland ever had is 237 only. So just assumptions that Irish could have chased 266
At the 30 over mark, Ireland needed 132 off 20 overs with 8 wickets in hand and the requred run rate was only 6.60
Ireland collapsed and by doing so, they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. As a Bangladesh cricket fan, I'm an expert at identifying when teams manage to f**k up a perfectably chaseable chase.
A top 8 team would have probably won in that position, not Ireland or the rest of the bottom teams in those conditions. A lot of it is in the mind. Had BT clobbered the spin and got us to 300, Ireland would have probably been all out for 270. Chasing is a mental game.
So I do get what you are saying but you have to remember the teams involved here
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This will be the last time they will have this super league format when they see South Africa having to play the qualifiers because their fixture list much harder than the smaller teams' . It doesn't make sense if everybody isn't playing everybody.
For example it's possible for the Netherlands, Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan to get 60 or 70 points off each other. Add a couple of 2-1 defeats against medium ranked teams and you could find yourself on 100 points. Sri Lanka for example would have to win 6 of their next 9 games to get past 100 points.
I just have a feeling a big gun will play in the qualifiers
For example it's possible for the Netherlands, Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan to get 60 or 70 points off each other. Add a couple of 2-1 defeats against medium ranked teams and you could find yourself on 100 points. Sri Lanka for example would have to win 6 of their next 9 games to get past 100 points.
I just have a feeling a big gun will play in the qualifiers
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slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:00 am
who would you bring instead of myers? Btw I`d give 3 years
So 3 years of uninterrupted selection and play, regardless of what's happening. What happens after the 3 years if he doesn't progress as you expect him to?
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TapsC2 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:41 am
I just have a feeling a big gun will play in the qualifiers
Thats kind of the point. When the system was devised circa 2014, Bangladesh was the 9th ranked side in Tests and ODIs. The idea was to create a club for the established 8. BD remains at 9th in Tests but by 2015 BD had entered the top 7 in ODIs. If you recall before ZIM was chosen as the WC Qualifer host it was actually BD as the original host. But the BCB forfeited once they felt they didn't need to worry about it anymore.
Now with the WI and SL at risk of relegation, the ICC doesn't really care. The cricketing world doesn't much care for or about any of the teams outside the Big 3 + maybe Pakistan. They probably don't even care about PAK that much. If New Zealand fell out of the top 8 rankings, they still wouldn't care. Only if its the Big 3, will they change the format of WC and WTC. While that isn't merit based, to be honest, you really can't argue against it. Apart from the Big 3, everyone else is expendable. Makes NZ's Test championship all the more special IMO.
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I think shumba needs to come in for myers next game. Madhevere can bat at 4 where myers was originally. Shumba has shown some pretty cool innovations in the 20 20 matches so could be good for a lower order cameo
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:14 am
Dr_Situ(ZimFanatic) wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 am
The average score on this pitch is 230+ & the successful chase Ireland ever had is 237 only. So just assumptions that Irish could have chased 266
At the 30 over mark, Ireland needed 132 off 20 overs with 8 wickets in hand and the requred run rate was only 6.60
Ireland collapsed and by doing so, they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. As a Bangladesh cricket fan, I'm an expert at identifying when teams manage to f**k up a perfectably chaseable chase.
Honestly doesn’t sound like you watched the game at all. Maybe I’m wrong but you are sounding here like one of those Indian dudes who take a quick glance at the cricinfo scorecard at the end of the match and then make dozens of (incorrect) presumptions based on it.
Hard pitch. 266 a more than fantastic score that literaly every single Zim fan was delighted and impressed with. Well done to the Zimbabwean batsmen for winning the game. Very happy with them.
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Donald wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:10 am
I think shumba needs to come in for myers next game. Madhevere can bat at 4 where myers was originally. Shumba has shown some pretty cool innovations in the 20 20 matches so could be good for a lower order cameo
If Shumba comes in, I would have it like
Chakabva
Shumba
Ervine
Taylor
Madhevere
Williams
Raza
Jongwe
Masakadza
Muzarabani
Ngarava
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80% chance of rain tomorrow, 70% chance on Monday. Just when our team is shaping up rain set to ruin their rhythm.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:53 am
TapsC2 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:41 am
I just have a feeling a big gun will play in the qualifiers
Thats kind of the point. When the system was devised circa 2014, Bangladesh was the 9th ranked side in Tests and ODIs. The idea was to create a club for the established 8. BD remains at 9th in Tests but by 2015 BD had entered the top 7 in ODIs. If you recall before ZIM was chosen as the WC Qualifer host it was actually BD as the original host. But the BCB forfeited once they felt they didn't need to worry about it anymore.
Now with the WI and SL at risk of relegation, the ICC doesn't really care. The cricketing world doesn't much care for or about any of the teams outside the Big 3 + maybe Pakistan. They probably don't even care about PAK that much. If New Zealand fell out of the top 8 rankings, they still wouldn't care. Only if its the Big 3, will they change the format of WC and WTC. While that isn't merit based, to be honest, you really can't argue against it. Apart from the Big 3, everyone else is expendable. Makes NZ's Test championship all the more special IMO.
That's a good post Kriterion, I agree.
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CholeZimbo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:33 pm
80% chance of rain tomorrow, 70% chance on Monday. Just when our team is shaping up rain set to ruin their rhythm.
I think it's showers in between, so we might still get truncated games. I hope so.
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