Any pace bowlers in the under 19s squad? Seems very batter heavy and with saul wohulter Bawa welch and Bennett brothers we are not light in that department.
What do people think our chances are at world Cup? Maybe top ten this time? 🤔😊
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Tinah09 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:46 pm
andrewn9 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:01 pm
Tinah09 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:37 am
I don’t blame them, their team has been s**t since the last batch of South Africans they poached retired….a batch consisting of CAPTAIN Andrew Strauss, wktkpr-batsman Matt Prior and the BEST ENGLAND BATSMAN OF ALL TIME Kevin Pietersen
Strauss moved to the UK aged 6, Prior moved to the UK aged 11. Tell me, what kind of poaching is this? The kind done with a f***ing crystal ball I guess!
I can see that you’ve conveniently left the third cricketer I mentioned i.e greatest test batsman in England history out of your retort. But honestly, doesn’t it look odd that for a ~200 year old institution, the best players to represent England cricket just happen to be blokes born elsewhere? England has well-funded schools, academies and county clubs with great facilities and coaching staff yet their best test batsman is a guy from Pietermaritzburg, KwaZulu-Natal, SA whilst their leading ODI AND T20 batsman (and WC winning captain) just happens to be a guy born in Dublin, Ireland who captained Ireland U19 and had represented the senior Ireland cricket team before ‘switching to England’.
Perhaps it’s just a coincidence!! But if the top performing kids in your household just happen to be children born and raised elsewhere, that does that say about your household?
England didn't poach Pietersen and they didn't poach Morgan. Pietersen felt disaffected with the quota system in SA and chose to move to England to play county cricket. His success in that paved the way to be selected for England. Morgan declared his dream was to play Test cricket and as he couldn't do that for Ireland, he served the qualification period for England, and was then duly selected. Both these players moved to England, without any encouragement from the ECB. By the way, Pietersen has an English mother, as does Morgan, so they are both imo half-English. England is always going to have some players who were born overseas or have mixed heritage. It is one of the most multi-cultural places on Earth, and as it is a wealthy country on a global level, it will attract players who have an eye on exploiting their ancestry to make lots of money. This is not ECB poaching in my book. I think you make way too many sweeping statements such as Pietersen is the greatest English test batsmen (ever heard of Jack Hobbs or Wally Hammond?) and the best players are born elsewhere (try telling that to Cook, Anderson, Broad, Buttler, Swann, Root).
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There was one point maybe closer to ten years back that I counted 7/11 players as imports to the English team!
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ShareI've been following English cricket for over 30 years, and in that time there's always been players born in other countries who've found themselves in the England team. 7 out of 11 must have been a one off if you've remembered correctly cos it wouldn't regularly be that high. As an Englishman I wouldn't want it to get out of hand but I accept it represents a modern, first world, modern country. But again I wouldn't class players like Strauss, Prior, Stokes, Roy, etc as 'imports'. They all learnt their cricket in the UK from a young age.
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andrewn9 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:00 am
I've been following English cricket for over 30 years, and in that time there's always been players born in other countries who've found themselves in the England team. 7 out of 11 must have been a one off if you've remembered correctly cos it wouldn't regularly be that high. As an Englishman I wouldn't want it to get out of hand but I accept it represents a modern, first world, modern country. But again I wouldn't class players like Strauss, Prior, Stokes, Roy, etc as 'imports'. They all learnt their cricket in the UK from a young age.
When did Stokes migrate to England? When he was 12? And yeah Strauss Prior and Roy are testament to an incredible South Afircan cricket culture
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What makes these cases funny is that it exposes the myth of "rugged, individualistic British pride", we do it alone, we done need anyone or anything from anyone, Brexit mentality, all the whilst the success of your cricket national team is directly correlated to the number of "acquired" foreign talents in the team. France has won multiple football/soccer World Cups with a bunch of acquired foreign talents (mainly West and North African players), New Zealand i.e. the All Blacks have won multiple rugby world cups with a lot of Samoa/Fiji born players. Both nations are okay with it, they don't make a big deal out of it, they genuinely embrace diversity and don't formulate ridiculous excuses to "justify" themselves. The British on the other hand, oh boy, a lot of copping pleas on this forum. "see what had happened was, Pietersen actually came to the UK as an embryo, hence he is really British if you think about it". Christ, you are rich and have well funded leagues and have benefitted immensely from foreign imports as a result, it's not a big deal, we understand, you can't achieve anything without foreign-born cricketers, its okay. So when the U19 WC roars to life, send your talent scouts to see how many future Jofra Archers, Gary Balances and Kevin Pietersens you can snap up, fast-track to British citizenship so that hopefully a few years time you can replace the sorry bunch of losers currently masquerading as cricketers and devaluing the previously-prestigious Ashes tests down under.
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slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:50 am
andrewn9 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:00 am
I've been following English cricket for over 30 years, and in that time there's always been players born in other countries who've found themselves in the England team. 7 out of 11 must have been a one off if you've remembered correctly cos it wouldn't regularly be that high. As an Englishman I wouldn't want it to get out of hand but I accept it represents a modern, first world, modern country. But again I wouldn't class players like Strauss, Prior, Stokes, Roy, etc as 'imports'. They all learnt their cricket in the UK from a young age.
When did Stokes migrate to England? When he was 12? And yeah Strauss Prior and Roy are testament to an incredible South Afircan cricket culture
The longer the discussion goes, the longer the list of foreign-born talent in the England national cricket team both current and past. At this point, its not outlandish to question if Alister Cook, Joe Root and the (very) few "verified" England-born talent were actually indeed born in England. Given that their supposedly rigid, by-the-book Home Office will not hesitate to bend the rules to fast-track citizenship to young talented foreign cricketers , there's no telling if Cook and Root were actually "born" in England. Given the calibre of cricketers they have unleashed unto world lately, the few good ones are a statistical anomaly which warrants further investigation
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U19 thread changes into off topic thread. Can you please stop this and discuss about zimbabwe u19 team :roll:
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Spoken like someone denied a passport or visa. 😂
County cricket has been the heart beat of the sport for generations. Most of the great cricketers have not just spent time playing county, but have deep affiliations to whichever county they played for. Its likely to be a small portion of the English cricket fraternity that push the England born agenda, unfortunately some of them are old school tie and are influential. If you have an English Citizenship alongside 2 other citizenships thats your good luck or fortitude that got you through the onerous qualification period.
There's no "fast tracking", there's actually a dedicated ECB team that spend their time f***ing anybody trying to play County cricket. The Home Office and the ECB are two entirely separate entities and yet they usually share a common goal, keeping foreigners out. They pay particular attention to people with legitimate ancestry claims and yet have an open door policy to people swimming the channel in a tractor tube who's sole intention is to make England as s**t as the place they swam from.
If your half witted vitriolic theories were true then all the current SA quicks playing county who've been sent packing would be sporting the Blue Book. They have not head hunted anybody, players go and try their luck there entirely of their own volition because they've usually been disenfranchised in their country of birth, that's the real truth of it.
You profess to embrace diversity clearly only when it suits you.
England are about the best in the world at 2 of the 3 formats and yet here you are thinking they're s**t. 😂
Spoken like someone denied a passport or visa. 😂
County cricket has been the heart beat of the sport for generations. Most of the great cricketers have not just spent time playing county, but have deep affiliations to whichever county they played for. Its likely to be a small portion of the English cricket fraternity that push the England born agenda, unfortunately some of them are old school tie and are influential. If you have an English Citizenship alongside 2 other citizenships thats your good luck or fortitude that got you through the onerous qualification period.
There's no "fast tracking", there's actually a dedicated ECB team that spend their time f***ing anybody trying to play County cricket. The Home Office and the ECB are two entirely separate entities and yet they usually share a common goal, keeping foreigners out. They pay particular attention to people with legitimate ancestry claims and yet have an open door policy to people swimming the channel in a tractor tube who's sole intention is to make England as s**t as the place they swam from.
If your half witted vitriolic theories were true then all the current SA quicks playing county who've been sent packing would be sporting the Blue Book. They have not head hunted anybody, players go and try their luck there entirely of their own volition because they've usually been disenfranchised in their country of birth, that's the real truth of it.
You profess to embrace diversity clearly only when it suits you.
England are about the best in the world at 2 of the 3 formats and yet here you are thinking they're s**t. 😂
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Tinah09 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:48 am
What makes these cases funny is that it exposes the myth of "rugged, individualistic British pride", we do it alone, we done need anyone or anything from anyone, Brexit mentality, all the whilst the success of your cricket national team is directly correlated to the number of "acquired" foreign talents in the team. France has won multiple football/soccer World Cups with a bunch of acquired foreign talents (mainly West and North African players), New Zealand i.e. the All Blacks have won multiple rugby world cups with a lot of Samoa/Fiji born players. Both nations are okay with it, they don't make a big deal out of it, they genuinely embrace diversity and don't formulate ridiculous excuses to "justify" themselves. The British on the other hand, oh boy, a lot of copping pleas on this forum. "see what had happened was, Pietersen actually came to the UK as an embryo, hence he is really British if you think about it". Christ, you are rich and have well funded leagues and have benefitted immensely from foreign imports as a result, it's not a big deal, we understand, you can't achieve anything without foreign-born cricketers, its okay. So when the U19 WC roars to life, send your talent scouts to see how many future Jofra Archers, Gary Balances and Kevin Pietersens you can snap up, fast-track to British citizenship so that hopefully a few years time you can replace the sorry bunch of losers currently masquerading as cricketers and devaluing the previously-prestigious Ashes tests down under.
Now you're going on about Brexit and 'rugged, individualistic British pride' and their connection to cricket! You seem to know all about the UK but I doubt you've ever set foot here. The England team has had foreign born players to varying degrees for decades. It's nothing new, it's just how it is. Some are half-English, some came here as children, some are more mercenary, and some are a combination of all 3. But I think you already have your own theories set in stone.
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Googly wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:35 am
@Tinah
Spoken like someone denied a passport or visa. 😂
County cricket has been the heart beat of the sport for generations. Most of the great cricketers have not just spent time playing county, but have deep affiliations to whichever county they played for. Its likely to be a small portion of the English cricket fraternity that push the England born agenda, unfortunately some of them are old school tie and are influential. If you have an English Citizenship alongside 2 other citizenships thats your good luck or fortitude that got you through the onerous qualification period.
There's no "fast tracking", there's actually a dedicated ECB team that spend their time f***ing anybody trying to play County cricket. The Home Office and the ECB are two entirely separate entities and yet they usually share a common goal, keeping foreigners out. They pay particular attention to people with legitimate ancestry claims and yet have an open door policy to people swimming the channel in a tractor tube who's sole intention is to make England as s**t as the place they swam from.
If your half witted vitriolic theories were true then all the current SA quicks playing county who've been sent packing would be sporting the Blue Book. They have not head hunted anybody, players go and try their luck there entirely of their own volition because they've usually been disenfranchised in their country of birth, that's the real truth of it.
You profess to embrace diversity clearly only when it suits you.
England are about the best in the world at 2 of the 3 formats and yet here you are thinking they're s**t. 😂
You don’t know anything about me, when did I apply for a British passport or visa and get rejected? I hate to break it to you, it’s not everyone’s life goal to immigrate to the UK, don’t believe the hype. We are witnessing a terrible England cricket team in real time, wasting peoples time in Australia yet you are telling us not to believe our lying eyes. I agree that once upon a time, county cricket was the holy grail of cricket and was the league where the who-is-who of cricket played their trade. But let’s not pretend that the world has changed and that the IPL and other lucrative global T20 leagues are the primary targets of almost all cricketers including Root, Stokes etc. the big names in global cricket couldn’t care less about county cricket anymore and it’s a decision purely driven by money. If this current England is ranked no.1 in any format then somethings terribly wrong with the ranking system. We just had a WC T20 a few months ago, I don’t remember the great England winning it. Very little cricket has been played since Covid-19 hit, so whatever rankings available may not be a true reflection of reality today. Anyways, the third ashes match starts tomorrow, I will just sit back and let the great England team show you how “good” they are.it’s pointless to argue back and forth about the capabilities of this great no.1 ranked test team when Mitch Starc and co will once again test them in a few hours time
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Prosper seems to be getting his excuses ready for the under 19 team. Lack of preparation lack of international cricket. Sounds defeatist from the start
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Where are you seeing that? Thats not something you want the team to be reading. In terms of time and money this team have been massively short changed and there's 4 or 5 really good players here. How do you justify spending less than 10% on this team compared to previous squads? Covid is a poor excuse.
Watch the next squad, my doomsday prediction of school cricket is finally upon us. Years of neglect and shocking decision making, which was somehow sustainable is no longer the case, we've just passed the tipping point.
Watch the next squad, my doomsday prediction of school cricket is finally upon us. Years of neglect and shocking decision making, which was somehow sustainable is no longer the case, we've just passed the tipping point.
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And yet big names continue to sign up with Counties for their 4 day, one day and T20 cricket?
Where does a southern hemisphere cricketer now play his winter cricket? I'm not sure you understand how this game works.
What "hype" are you talking about?
I'd say getting out of Dodge is more of a priority than you care to acknowledge. Perhaps one sixth of our population now live in the diaspora. If that's not statistically significsnt then you're confused. If diaspora money is one of your top 5 forex earners I'd suggest you live in a failed state, but lets hear your spin.
SA is full of Zimbabweans that can't get to England, that's the reality.
That's not a terrible team incidentally. They're being well beaten and can't ever seem to get to grips with Australia in Australia, but that same team will likely beat Australia in English conditions.
If its wasting your time, why not turn the TV off instead of gloating about it. Its a strange old game, English seamers need to bowl fuller and two more batsmen need to come to the party and it will be competitive. And they need to play a spinner, my preference is Ali.
And yet big names continue to sign up with Counties for their 4 day, one day and T20 cricket?
Where does a southern hemisphere cricketer now play his winter cricket? I'm not sure you understand how this game works.
What "hype" are you talking about?
I'd say getting out of Dodge is more of a priority than you care to acknowledge. Perhaps one sixth of our population now live in the diaspora. If that's not statistically significsnt then you're confused. If diaspora money is one of your top 5 forex earners I'd suggest you live in a failed state, but lets hear your spin.
SA is full of Zimbabweans that can't get to England, that's the reality.
That's not a terrible team incidentally. They're being well beaten and can't ever seem to get to grips with Australia in Australia, but that same team will likely beat Australia in English conditions.
If its wasting your time, why not turn the TV off instead of gloating about it. Its a strange old game, English seamers need to bowl fuller and two more batsmen need to come to the party and it will be competitive. And they need to play a spinner, my preference is Ali.
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Googly wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:23 pm
@Tinah
And yet big names continue to sign up with Counties for their 4 day, one day and T20 cricket?
Where does a southern hemisphere cricketer now play his winter cricket? I'm not sure you understand how this game works.
What "hype" are you talking about?
I'd say getting out of Dodge is more of a priority than you care to acknowledge. Perhaps one sixth of our population now live in the diaspora. If that's not statistically significsnt then you're confused. If diaspora money is one of your top 5 forex earners I'd suggest you live in a failed state, but lets hear your spin.
SA is full of Zimbabweans that can't get to England, that's the reality.
That's not a terrible team incidentally. They're being well beaten and can't ever seem to get to grips with Australia in Australia, but that same team will likely beat Australia in English conditions.
If its wasting your time, why not turn the TV off instead of gloating about it. Its a strange old game, English seamers need to bowl fuller and two more batsmen need to come to the party and it will be competitive. And they need to play a spinner, my preference is Ali.
Ali unfortunately retired dint he? Bess needs a proper run
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Eeish, ya should have remembered he'd retired from Test cricket. Sorry.
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Googly wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:04 pm
Where are you seeing that? Thats not something you want the team to be reading. In terms of time and money this team have been massively short changed and there's 4 or 5 really good players here. How do you justify spending less than 10% on this team compared to previous squads? Covid is a poor excuse.
Watch the next squad, my doomsday prediction of school cricket is finally upon us. Years of neglect and shocking decision making, which was somehow sustainable is no longer the case, we've just passed the tipping point.
Hi Googly.
It was a news report yesterday. It says Zimbabwe under 19s brace for World Cup as headline. It makes for depressing reading. I'm sorry I can't copy and paste as on my phone. You should be able to Google if you type Zimbabwe bwr cricket and then look under news items.
The language used seems very defeatist from the start to my eyes and looks like getting excuses in early
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Zimbabwe bwr cricket?
I'll take a look, just doing a Secret Santa.
Merry Xmas to my shamwaris, the other 5 can get f***ed.
I'll take a look, just doing a Secret Santa.
Merry Xmas to my shamwaris, the other 5 can get f***ed.
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Googly wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:56 pm
Zimbabwe bwr cricket?
I'll take a look, just doing a Secret Santa.
Merry Xmas to my shamwaris, the other 5 can get f***ed.
That's a typo on my part. Apologies 😂😂😂
Merry crimbo Googly
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andrewn9 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:00 am
I've been following English cricket for over 30 years, and in that time there's always been players born in other countries who've found themselves in the England team. 7 out of 11 must have been a one off if you've remembered correctly cos it wouldn't regularly be that high. As an Englishman I wouldn't want it to get out of hand but I accept it represents a modern, first world, modern country. But again I wouldn't class players like Strauss, Prior, Stokes, Roy, etc as 'imports'. They all learnt their cricket in the UK from a young age.
I will take a stab and say it was 2013.
I remember thinking Biy Craig kieswetter who is the episode of the non English Englishman.
He went to celebrate with SA after they won matches in the WC. Stayed with the saffees to party etc.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:17 pm
andrewn9 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:00 am
I've been following English cricket for over 30 years, and in that time there's always been players born in other countries who've found themselves in the England team. 7 out of 11 must have been a one off if you've remembered correctly cos it wouldn't regularly be that high. As an Englishman I wouldn't want it to get out of hand but I accept it represents a modern, first world, modern country. But again I wouldn't class players like Strauss, Prior, Stokes, Roy, etc as 'imports'. They all learnt their cricket in the UK from a young age.
I will take a stab and say it was 2013.
I remember thinking Biy Craig kieswetter who is the episode of the non English Englishman.
He went to celebrate with SA after they won matches in the WC. Stayed with the saffees to party etc.
Yeah, that's fair enough about Kieswetter. Afrikaner (and Scottish heritage) and qualified through residency. As I've said though, the overseas born England players are a mixed bunch, there's no identikit version.
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